Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 4:46 am Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Are there any plans for pika card support. They look like a really good
candidate for PBX apps. The Daytona 16P8L or 8P4L look like what
Richard was looking for. Does anyone know what these cards cost?
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 10:28 am Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
The 16P8L is for USD4,420.00 if you order one. USD2,873.00 if you order
1000. Guess the price is a little negotiable if you really order 1000pc.
-Rudiger
On Mon, 10 Jan 2000, Curt Johnson wrote:
Quote:
Are there any plans for pika card support. They look like a really good
candidate for PBX apps. The Daytona 16P8L or 8P4L look like what
Richard was looking for. Does anyone know what these cards cost?
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 12:39 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Quote:
The 16P8L is for USD4,420.00 if you order one. USD2,873.00 if you order
1000. Guess the price is a little negotiable if you really order 1000pc.
The Internet LineJACK has only one port, but you can have as many
in your system as you have ISA slots. And they are $299 each,
quantity ONE. Full retail for 8 channels is $2400. Our sales
department can give you quotes on quantity orders. So, it is
possibly a much more cost effective solution than the Pika
products.
Other advantages:
1. Quicknet drivers are GPL and part of the kernel. Pika's are
binary only and only support the old 2.0.x series kernels.
2. Quicknet cards have an active developer community that is
growing every day. I recently saw an email that asked if Pika
was even actively supporting their linux drivers. Now, they may
be, but are there active developers?
3. Quicknet cards are supported now by Asterisk. Pika is not.
4. Quicknet cards support codecs besides G.711, allowing the
PBX/IVR to be used for more than just those functions - it can be
used as a hop-on/hop-off gateway for IP telephony, using lines
that are otehrwise idel for something useful. Pika is G.711
only, making them useless for real-world IP telephony over
anything other than a local high speed LAN.
Greg
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 2:21 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Greg Herlein wrote:
Quote:
> The 16P8L is for USD4,420.00 if you order one. USD2,873.00 if you order
> 1000. Guess the price is a little negotiable if you really order 1000pc.
The Internet LineJACK has only one port, but you can have as many
in your system as you have ISA slots. And they are $299 each,
quantity ONE. Full retail for 8 channels is $2400. Our sales
department can give you quotes on quantity orders. So, it is
possibly a much more cost effective solution than the Pika
products.
Other advantages:
1. Quicknet drivers are GPL and part of the kernel. Pika's are
binary only and only support the old 2.0.x series kernels.
2. Quicknet cards have an active developer community that is
growing every day. I recently saw an email that asked if Pika
was even actively supporting their linux drivers. Now, they may
be, but are there active developers?
3. Quicknet cards are supported now by Asterisk. Pika is not.
4. Quicknet cards support codecs besides G.711, allowing the
PBX/IVR to be used for more than just those functions - it can be
used as a hop-on/hop-off gateway for IP telephony, using lines
that are otehrwise idel for something useful. Pika is G.711
only, making them useless for real-world IP telephony over
anything other than a local high speed LAN.
Greg
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Looks like the PBX manufacturers of the world are safe now. These prices,
after service and installation tagged on, plus the price of a box to put them
in will put us over a comprable Meridian, Samsung or maybe even Lucent.
Unfortunately, I don't see these systems moving past specialized applications
until the per port price comes down. This is one of those chiken and egg
scenarios. I have a very good friend who spent the last 5 years making
Lucent about $200K a month in revenue selling their systems to businesses.
The features that I told him about that we could build into a linux based PBX
blew him away, but the price on getting enough ports in the box makes it
non-competitive except in specialized call center apps (predictive dialing,
pathway). If someone would lower the price on say 24 port boards to $2000 -
$2500 these boxes would replace every phone system in the world. That would
definately generate more profit with volume sales than the lower volume, high
margin boards do, IMNOSHO. Anyone have any ideas?
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 2:51 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Quote:
Looks like the PBX manufacturers of the world are safe now. These prices,
after service and installation tagged on, plus the price of a box to put them
in will put us over a comprable Meridian, Samsung or maybe even Lucent.
Unfortunately, I don't see these systems moving past specialized applications
until the per port price comes down. This is one of those chiken and egg
scenarios. I have a very good friend who spent the last 5 years making
Lucent about $200K a month in revenue selling their systems to businesses.
The features that I told him about that we could build into a linux based PBX
blew him away, but the price on getting enough ports in the box makes it
non-competitive except in specialized call center apps (predictive dialing,
pathway). If someone would lower the price on say 24 port boards to $2000 -
$2500 these boxes would replace every phone system in the world. That would
definately generate more profit with volume sales than the lower volume, high
margin boards do, IMNOSHO. Anyone have any ideas?
What's the going rate on the ICT-1 cards from Franklin Telecom? Are they
decent quality cards....They seem to have open-source linux drivers.
I've been thinking about getting one or two and taking a whack at writing
the channel driver for them.
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 2:51 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
From : marko>owner-asterisk
To : adam
Subject : Re: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Date : 01/01/70 01:01
Quote:
>The Internet LineJACK has only one port, but you can have as many
>quantity ONE. Full retail for 8 channels is $2400. Our sales
Looks like the PBX manufacturers of the world are safe now. These prices,
after service and installation tagged on, plus the price of a box to put them
in will put us over a comprable Meridian, Samsung or maybe even Lucent.
Once the support for "consumer class" channels like ISDN and the Winmodem are
complete this will be a very attractive solution for small phone systems, say
ones with about 4 lines and less then 10 extenstions. There are currently no
products really suitable for that environment that do not A. Cost way too
much or B. have severe limitations. I'm waiting anxiously for those devices
to be supported.
Quote:
pathway). If someone would lower the price on say 24 port boards to $2000 -
$2500 these boxes would replace every phone system in the world. That would
As I'm shopping for a PBX, I very much agree with this. The blated prices
of much of the current telephony equipment makes it absurd for anyone but a
very large business. With 13 small offices totally just under 400 users,
the cost of the required gear is out of this world.
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 2:54 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Quote:
Once the support for "consumer class" channels like ISDN and the Winmodem are
complete this will be a very attractive solution for small phone systems, say
ones with about 4 lines and less then 10 extenstions. There are currently no
products really suitable for that environment that do not A. Cost way too
much or B. have severe limitations. I'm waiting anxiously for those devices
to be supported.
Someone in Germany said they would send me an ISDN card. I have not heard
from them since my return, although I have sent some e-mail. Whenever I
get an ISDN card, I'll try an ISDN4Linux driver. There may be someone
already on the list who has started work on such a driver as a chan_modem
driver.
<CHING>
Okay guys, looks like ISDN4Linux uses essentially the same command set as
the A/Open modem does. Except they allow full duplex audio... I'll play
and see if I can get it to work with the A/Open and e-mail all of you with
what I find out.
</CHING>
Quote:
As I'm shopping for a PBX, I very much agree with this. The blated prices
of much of the current telephony equipment makes it absurd for anyone but a
very large business. With 13 small offices totally just under 400 users,
the cost of the required gear is out of this world.
Yes, but that's what I'm trying to help. Low #'s of ports should be easy
when a modem driver works.
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:05 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Adam Williams wrote:
Quote:
From : marko>owner-asterisk
To : adam
Subject : Re: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Date : 01/01/70 01:01
>>The Internet LineJACK has only one port, but you can have as many
>>quantity ONE. Full retail for 8 channels is $2400. Our sales
>Looks like the PBX manufacturers of the world are safe now. These prices,
>after service and installation tagged on, plus the price of a box to put them
>in will put us over a comprable Meridian, Samsung or maybe even Lucent.
Once the support for "consumer class" channels like ISDN and the Winmodem are
complete this will be a very attractive solution for small phone systems, say
ones with about 4 lines and less then 10 extenstions. There are currently no
products really suitable for that environment that do not A. Cost way too
much or B. have severe limitations. I'm waiting anxiously for those devices
to be supported.
>pathway). If someone would lower the price on say 24 port boards to $2000 -
>$2500 these boxes would replace every phone system in the world. That would
As I'm shopping for a PBX, I very much agree with this. The blated prices
of much of the current telephony equipment makes it absurd for anyone but a
very large business. With 13 small offices totally just under 400 users,
the cost of the required gear is out of this world.
I don't see multiport winmodem boards as being that likely. IANATE (I am not a
telephony engineer) but from what I have been able to gather, The hardware is
needed on the card where the H.100 bus is so that calls can be switched with that
bus. The H.100 bus can handle 4096 timeslots at 8Mhz. From what I have seen,
the ISDN cards are just as expensive as the the analog multiports. Anyone have
any different information?
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:07 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Mark Spencer wrote:
Quote:
> Once the support for "consumer class" channels like ISDN and the Winmodem are
> complete this will be a very attractive solution for small phone systems, say
> ones with about 4 lines and less then 10 extenstions. There are currently no
> products really suitable for that environment that do not A. Cost way too
> much or B. have severe limitations. I'm waiting anxiously for those devices
> to be supported.
Someone in Germany said they would send me an ISDN card. I have not heard
from them since my return, although I have sent some e-mail. Whenever I
get an ISDN card, I'll try an ISDN4Linux driver. There may be someone
already on the list who has started work on such a driver as a chan_modem
driver.
You will get your ISDN-card very soon! :-) Really! One user gets
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:10 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Curt Johnson wrote:
Quote:
I don't see multiport winmodem boards as being that likely. IANATE (I am not a
telephony engineer) but from what I have been able to gather, The hardware is
needed on the card where the H.100 bus is so that calls can be switched with that
bus. The H.100 bus can handle 4096 timeslots at 8Mhz. From what I have seen,
the ISDN cards are just as expensive as the the analog multiports. Anyone have
any different information?
You get i isdn-card for ~130,00DM(70-80$). That's not so
expensive. And you have many nice features, that a analog card
can't give you.
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:19 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
You don't need the H.100 bus, really, if you are doing a next-gen
PBX or IVR for low to medium density applications. ISDN can give
you great added features, but only if you can get ISDN service.
Low cost multi-port analog cards have great potential. And, if
the volume can go up, the costs can come down... but it's going
to be practiaclly impossible for a vendor to accomplish "modem"
level pricing for this market, since the economy of scale factors
will be missing.
Greg
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:29 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Lars Kneschke wrote:
Quote:
Curt Johnson wrote:
> I don't see multiport winmodem boards as being that likely. IANATE (I am not a
> telephony engineer) but from what I have been able to gather, The hardware is
> needed on the card where the H.100 bus is so that calls can be switched with that
> bus. The H.100 bus can handle 4096 timeslots at 8Mhz. From what I have seen,
> the ISDN cards are just as expensive as the the analog multiports. Anyone have
> any different information?
You get i isdn-card for ~130,00DM(70-80$). That's not so
expensive. And you have many nice features, that a analog card
can't give you.
How many Bearer Channels can a card in that price range process? 2B+D cards might
give you 2 voice channels, but you would need seperate ISDN lines for every 2 incoming
lines, it also won't handle the station phones. The ISDN cards that I have seen that
scale to 8 or 16 B channels, are as expensive as the analog cards. You still need
analog ports for the stations unless they get ISDN phones or replace the phones with
computers that can handle VoIP. Natural MicroSystems (?) has station cards that are
$1700 for 8 ports, $2800 for 16 and $3500 for 24. I think that the price point for
the port hardware needs to be about $100 per port. That's twice a hardware voice
modem ($40-$50 per port). But it is a level that would allow these boxes to replace
existing equipment. I am fortunate in that my area offers ISDN, DSL, and Cable.
There are quite a few technical options for users in this area, but none of these
technologies seem to offer $100 per port.
Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2000 3:35 pm Post subject: [Asterisk] Pika Card Support?
Curt Johnson wrote:
Quote:
How many Bearer Channels can a card in that price range process? 2B+D cards might
give you 2 voice channels, but you would need seperate ISDN lines for every 2 incoming
lines, it also won't handle the station phones.
I would use isdn-card for external lines. Only with isdn you can
get direct dial in in europe. So analog lineinterfaces are no
option for europe. For my inhouse telephones i don't want to use
analog telefons. I think VoIP telefones will be the best
solution.
Quote:
The ISDN cards that I have seen that
scale to 8 or 16 B channels, are as expensive as the analog cards. You still need
analog ports for the stations unless they get ISDN phones or replace the phones with
computers that can handle VoIP. Natural MicroSystems (?) has station cards that are
$1700 for 8 ports, $2800 for 16 and $3500 for 24. I think that the price point for
the port hardware needs to be about $100 per port. That's twice a hardware voice
modem ($40-$50 per port). But it is a level that would allow these boxes to replace
existing equipment. I am fortunate in that my area offers ISDN, DSL, and Cable.
There are quite a few technical options for users in this area, but none of these
technologies seem to offer $100 per port.
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