I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
bill... When is the last time you did this?)
There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.
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Like the industry that does opposite, using tiered decks with cherry
picking, instead of a blended rate.
Also the industry of taking open source and selling skinned versions of
things.
And so on..
If one puts 6/6 and does 30/6 it's not the same, but we do 30/6 for anyone ,
takes care of the spam sequential dialers, and cheap 0.0001 hunters, we evne
charge 0.005 per connection , no per minute cost for 800 numbers, this takes
care of abusive clients taking a on demand plan , using 400 channels for
toll free termination and using our other clients resources.
Overall, better service, less resources used, and happier clients.
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From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com
[mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Kevin P. Fleming
Sent: April-27-09 11:53 AM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
Jared Smith wrote:
Quote:
I hate to admit it, but I'm now a firm believer that most carriers in
the business of selling minutes are purposefully deceptive, or at a
minimum almost completely incompetent. I'm also a firm believer that
they feel justified in doing so because their customers rarely challenge
them on it. (It's human nature to want to avoid auditing the phone
bill... When is the last time you did this?)
There is an entire industry devoted to doing just that; they keep a
percentage of what they save customers, and they make LOTS of money.
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445 Jan Davis Drive NW - Huntsville, AL 35806 - USA
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I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of 300,000
lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a little
over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and every
carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing software
alone runs upwards of $100,000.
None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
300,000 line long rate deck.
That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want your
rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily updatable.
If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate deck. If
you want to publish something different to the public, great! But as a
customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination supported, so I
don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you didn't
consider the US worthy of inclusion.
I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small fry
compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate, and I
want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 1:56 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On 27 Apr 2009, at 21:03, Peter Beckman wrote:
Quote:
On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:
> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of
> 300,000
> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a
> little
> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
>
> What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and
> every
> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing
> software
> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
>
> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
> 300,000 line long rate deck.
That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want
your
rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily
updatable.
If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate
deck. If
you want to publish something different to the public, great! But
as a
customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination
supported, so I
don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you
didn't
consider the US worthy of inclusion.
I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small
fry
compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate,
and I
want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
Teliax have (had?) this web service that you can call with a number
and it returns the rate in xml.
They also publish their rates as csv files so you can import them.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On Friday 01 May 2009 15:52:44 Tim Panton wrote:
Quote:
On 27 Apr 2009, at 21:03, Peter Beckman wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:
>> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
>> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of
>> 300,000
>> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
>> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
>> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
>> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a
>> little
>> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
>>
>> What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
>> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
>> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and
>> every
>> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
>> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
>> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing
>> software
>> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
>>
>> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
>> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
>> 300,000 line long rate deck.
>
> That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want
> your
> rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily
> updatable.
> If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate
> deck. If
> you want to publish something different to the public, great! But
> as a
> customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination
> supported, so I
> don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you
> didn't
> consider the US worthy of inclusion.
>
> I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small
> fry
> compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate,
> and I
> want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
Teliax have (had?) this web service that you can call with a number
and it returns the rate in xml.
They also publish their rates as csv files so you can import them.
Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On Friday 01 May 2009 15:52:44 Tim Panton wrote:
Quote:
On 27 Apr 2009, at 21:03, Peter Beckman wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:
>> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually looks
>> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of
>> 300,000
>> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48 at a
>> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to every
>> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
>> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a
>> little
>> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
>>
>> What really gets me is all the different ways that international is
>> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of dialing
>> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and
>> every
>> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to the
>> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your rates,
>> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing
>> software
>> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
>>
>> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but the
>> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
>> 300,000 line long rate deck.
>
> That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want
> your
> rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily
> updatable.
> If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate
> deck. If
> you want to publish something different to the public, great! But
> as a
> customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination
> supported, so I
> don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you
> didn't
> consider the US worthy of inclusion.
>
> I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a small
> fry
> compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate,
> and I
> want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
Teliax have (had?) this web service that you can call with a number
and it returns the rate in xml.
They also publish their rates as csv files so you can import them.
Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
Peter -
Your modifications for a negative route idea sound great! How
about updating the document I published with the idea? Let's discuss
the modifications, and then I'll put them in the next revision of the
document. I doubt an RFC would ever be published on this (as RFCs
generally don't talk about pricing and business rules) but certainly
there can be an industry standard that "most" people can agree upon.
> Isn't there a need for a Web service here?
Not really. Frankly I don't want to have to do a web-service call for
every single call. Plus LCR routing doesn't really work if you
don't know
what the rate is. I want to simply download and cache all rates for
a given provider, not to dynamically fetch 20 rates from 20
providers for
each call just to determine which one I should use.
What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the provider
supports, US, Canada and everything else.
There is also a problem with not being able to provide negative
routes.
52,0.05,Mexico
What if you can't route to 52235? Or you choose not to? There's no
way to
announce that, well other than:
52235,99999,Mexico
But still, if nobody else can route it, my LCR engine might try to
route
the call there. It would fail, but if my call messed up, I might
charge
$100,000 to my customer. It would be silly, but possible.
I just think we need to come up with an RFC for telecom termination
providers to share their rates -- 3,000 rows or 300,000 rows. I
think the
format that another guy on this list started is good, but still
needs some
refinement.
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On Friday 01 May 2009 15:52:44 Tim Panton wrote:
> On 27 Apr 2009, at 21:03, Peter Beckman wrote:
> > On Fri, 24 Apr 2009, Miles Scruggs wrote:
> >> I think you maybe shocked to see what a full rate deck actually
looks
> >> like. A complete deck (if it is competitive) can be upwards of
> >> 300,000
> >> lines. If you have a termination provider that is selling US 48
at a
> >> flat rate with no restrictions they either aren't doing it to
every
> >> market, or it is way over priced. (If anyone out there wants to
> >> terminate the US 48 with no restrictions for $0.01/min I have a
> >> little
> >> over 1,000,000 per day to send you)
> >>
> >> What really gets me is all the different ways that
international is
> >> done, and the fact that most sheets give you names instead of
dialing
> >> codes. Names are next to useless when trying to rate a call and
> >> every
> >> carrier has a different name for each dialing code compared to
the
> >> next carrier out there. In short being competitive with your
rates,
> >> and billing calls isn't not trivial which is why some billing
> >> software
> >> alone runs upwards of $100,000.
> >>
> >> None of these are great reasons for not publishing a deck, but
the
> >> average person buying termination doesn't want to bother with a
> >> 300,000 line long rate deck.
> >
> > That's ok -- don't publish it! But when I'm your customer, I want
> > your
> > rates, all of them, in a computer-digestable format, and easily
> > updatable.
> > If you are giving me a flat rate, I want to see that in the rate
> > deck. If
> > you want to publish something different to the public, great! But
> > as a
> > customer, I want the full rate deck for EVERY destination
> > supported, so I
> > don't have to manually update the rates you left out because you
> > didn't
> > consider the US worthy of inclusion.
> >
> > I understand some do full npanxx, but most I deal with (I'm a
small
> > fry
> > compared to your 1M minutes per day) give me a flat blended rate,
> > and I
> > want to know what I can and cannot terminate to and at what cost.
>
> Teliax have (had?) this web service that you can call with a number
> and it returns the rate in xml.
>
> They also publish their rates as csv files so you can import them.
>
> Tim.
Isn't there a need for a Web service here?
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What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the provider
supports, US, Canada and everything else.
Hi,
You seem to want to evaluate termination providers on nothing else except price. I'm not sure why encouraging that simplistic rule is in the interests of termination providers, or your own, for that matter.
What about minor details like quality, CLI support, whether the terminating lines are legitimate or stolen from innocent third parties - don't they matter?
Some unscrupulous scenarios for terminators to use if lots of originators have all these rate decks in their routing engines and are routing solely by price:
1) Publish a low rate to a destination. "Connect" calls in excess of your capacity (so you can bill them), but connect them to nowhere. Once originators notice apologise profusely for the technical problem but keep the money (the originator won't be able to say exactly which calls failed in this manner). Fail 10% of calls like this and you can make up what your published low rate is costing you, and the originator probably will accept the CSR that they get.
2) Publish a low rate but run your clock a bit fast to make up the difference. Remember that you only need to be 0.000001c/min cheapest in order to get lots and lots of minutes because people are selecting automatically by price.
3) "Forget" to mention various billing wrinkles. Your excuse is that the csv format doesn't provide for the flag-fall charge, or the call attempt charge if your calls' CSR falls below a threshold, or what have you. Make sure the info is published somewhere even though you "can't" put them in the csv.
Can others think of more (this is quite fun >:) )
So surely you need to know more about your termination partner than just their price? And do you really want to tell your termination providers that all you care about is price. Some cheaply terminated calls already sound pretty terrible. Do we really want to encourage this race to rock bottom?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On Sun, 3 May 2009, Stephen Davies wrote:
Quote:
You seem to want to evaluate termination providers on nothing else except
price.
I'm guessing by "You" you mean me. No, it's not about price. It's about
a comprehensive document, usually a .csv file, that includes what routes a
termination provider (of my own choosing, after vetting) supports. The
whole shebang. Not just Botswana, but the US and Canada as well. Almost
every single "rate deck" available from any provider, either publically or
privately, do NOT provide their rates for US and Canada, either in general
or as they apply to my specific account, discounts and negotiated rates.
And if they do Include the US, it's something rediculous like
"1,US,0.0113" and they fail to include Alaska, Hawaii, Canada, and a few
other NANPA destinations that we all know are more expensive or cheaper
than the US48.
I started this thread out of the frustration of not having a standard way
of Termination providers providing their exact capabilities and at what
price, regardless of if it is high or low.
I don't care if the rate deck it is public or private. I just want a
standard, or at the very least for each provider to include ALL ROUTES,
not just ones they consider international. MOST US providers do not
include US/Canada rates in their rate deck. This is most annoying,
because I cannot automate the updating of their rates in my system which
relies on these rates for our own LCR engine.
[snip the rest of your email which incorrectly assumes my goal is to write
a perl script to scan all the termination providers for the lowest price
and route my precious traffic based solely on that, which is ludicrous and
obviously a really bad idea]
Beckman
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 7:36 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
I didn't infer that he wants to evaluate based solely on price. If it were me, I would want that same information in order to simply put the price issue to bed such that I could evaluate other factors with less obfuscation of the total package. Plus, I regard the easy access to pricing data as a quality issue that reflects on the package and service as a whole.
By the same token, I am always suspicious of vendors that obscure their prices behind a veil of quality claims.
What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the provider
supports, US, Canada and everything else.
Hi,
You seem to want to evaluate termination providers on nothing else except price. I'm not sure why encouraging that simplistic rule is in the interests of termination providers, or your own, for that matter.
What about minor details like quality, CLI support, whether the terminating lines are legitimate or stolen from innocent third parties - don't they matter?
Some unscrupulous scenarios for terminators to use if lots of originators have all these rate decks in their routing engines and are routing solely by price:
1) Publish a low rate to a destination. "Connect" calls in excess of your capacity (so you can bill them), but connect them to nowhere. Once originators notice apologise profusely for the technical problem but keep the money (the originator won't be able to say exactly which calls failed in this manner). Fail 10% of calls like this and you can make up what your published low rate is costing you, and the originator probably will accept the CSR that they get.
2) Publish a low rate but run your clock a bit fast to make up the difference. Remember that you only need to be 0.000001c/min cheapest in order to get lots and lots of minutes because people are selecting automatically by price.
3) "Forget" to mention various billing wrinkles. Your excuse is that the csv format doesn't provide for the flag-fall charge, or the call attempt charge if your calls' CSR falls below a threshold, or what have you. Make sure the info is published somewhere even though you "can't" put them in the csv.
Can others think of more (this is quite fun >:) )
So surely you need to know more about your termination partner than just their price? And do you really want to tell your termination providers that all you care about is price. Some cheaply terminated calls already sound pretty terrible. Do we really want to encourage this race to rock bottom?
Steve
Quote:
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001 termination.. but want TDM quality...
Hence why not have an @ cost scenario or even worst.. just make it free like some do.. and play ads..
And wtf we talking about this ?
From:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Davies
Sent: May-03-09 2:57 PM
To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
2009/5/1 Peter Beckman <beckman@angryox.com (beckman@angryox.com)>
Alexander Harrowell wrote:
What's needed is a rate deck that includes every route the provider
supports, US, Canada and everything else.
Hi,
You seem to want to evaluate termination providers on nothing else except price. I'm not sure why encouraging that simplistic rule is in the interests of termination providers, or your own, for that matter.
What about minor details like quality, CLI support, whether the terminating lines are legitimate or stolen from innocent third parties - don't they matter?
Some unscrupulous scenarios for terminators to use if lots of originators have all these rate decks in their routing engines and are routing solely by price:
1) Publish a low rate to a destination. "Connect" calls in excess of your capacity (so you can bill them), but connect them to nowhere. Once originators notice apologise profusely for the technical problem but keep the money (the originator won't be able to say exactly which calls failed in this manner). Fail 10% of calls like this and you can make up what your published low rate is costing you, and the originator probably will accept the CSR that they get.
2) Publish a low rate but run your clock a bit fast to make up the difference. Remember that you only need to be 0.000001c/min cheapest in order to get lots and lots of minutes because people are selecting automatically by price.
3) "Forget" to mention various billing wrinkles. Your excuse is that the csv format doesn't provide for the flag-fall charge, or the call attempt charge if your calls' CSR falls below a threshold, or what have you. Make sure the info is published somewhere even though you "can't" put them in the csv.
Can others think of more (this is quite fun >:) )
So surely you need to know more about your termination partner than just their price? And do you really want to tell your termination providers that all you care about is price. Some cheaply terminated calls already sound pretty terrible. Do we really want to encourage this race to rock bottom?
Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On Sun, 3 May 2009, ContactTel Business wrote:
Quote:
My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001
termination.. but want TDM quality...
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT COST OR TRYING TO GET THE LOWEST PRICE!!!!!!!
Lord have mercy on this thread.
The thread is about how termination providers fail to provide a complete
picture of their pricing FOR ALL DESTINATIONS in their rate decks in an
easy to digest and standardized way so I can have a script or application
find the correct routes that apply, every time, without hacks.
Mostly my gripe is that Termination providers who offer so-called "A to Z"
rate decks almost ALWAYS fail to include the US and/or Canada rates
specifically.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO FIND THE TERMINATION COMPANY WITH THE LOWEST
PRICE.
I sure hope I don't have to say it again...
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Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 11:48 pm Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
Ah yeah , your right, out of 5 upstreams 0 have consistent formats..
But all do have Canada/usa in NPANXX format, then another CSV fo the INT
Quote:
>-----Original Message-----
>From: asterisk-biz-bounces@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-
>bounces@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Peter Beckman
>Sent: May-03-09 8:15 PM
>To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion
>Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
>
>On Sun, 3 May 2009, ContactTel Business wrote:
>
>> My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001
>> termination.. but want TDM quality...
>
>THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT COST OR TRYING TO GET THE LOWEST PRICE!!!!!!!
>
>Lord have mercy on this thread.
>
>The thread is about how termination providers fail to provide a
>complete picture of their pricing FOR ALL DESTINATIONS in their rate
>decks in an easy to digest and standardized way so I can have a script
>or application find the correct routes that apply, every time, without
>hacks.
>
>Mostly my gripe is that Termination providers who offer so-called "A to
>Z"
>rate decks almost ALWAYS fail to include the US and/or Canada rates
>specifically.
>
>THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO FIND THE TERMINATION COMPANY WITH THE LOWEST
>PRICE.
>
>I sure hope I don't have to say it again...
>
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:18 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
You're making overly optimistic assumptions about the reading
comprehension, technical acumen and communicative erudition of people in
the business-focused discursive spaces. :-)
Peter Beckman wrote:
Quote:
On Sun, 3 May 2009, ContactTel Business wrote:
> My point exactly always suckers that try to get 0.0000000000001
> termination.. but want TDM quality...
THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT COST OR TRYING TO GET THE LOWEST PRICE!!!!!!!
Lord have mercy on this thread.
The thread is about how termination providers fail to provide a complete
picture of their pricing FOR ALL DESTINATIONS in their rate decks in an
easy to digest and standardized way so I can have a script or application
find the correct routes that apply, every time, without hacks.
Mostly my gripe is that Termination providers who offer so-called "A to Z"
rate decks almost ALWAYS fail to include the US and/or Canada rates
specifically.
THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOW TO FIND THE TERMINATION COMPANY WITH THE LOWEST
PRICE.
I sure hope I don't have to say it again...
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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:59 am Post subject: [asterisk-biz] Dear Termination Providers,
On Sun, 3 May 2009, ContactTel Business wrote:
Quote:
Ah yeah , your right, out of 5 upstreams 0 have consistent formats..
But all do have Canada/usa in NPANXX format, then another CSV fo the INT
I don't even mind the inconsistency, though it would be nice.
Of the 5 upstreams, do they provide you anything OTHER than USA/Canada in
a full NPANXX breakout?
There seems to be two types of providers:
1. Providers that offer full rate deck for US/Canada, sometimes even
the full NANPA, which include every rate.
2. A-Z providers, who give you a nice handy rate deck with everything
BUT US/Canada, even though they offer it!
I just want providers who offer connectivity to US and Canada to include
it in their A-Z rates.
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