Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:33 am Post subject: [Asterisk-bsd] so here is my question for the masses
On 03/02/2008, at 9:42 AM, Richard Neese wrote:
Quote:
Do you all think that my daemonswitch project is worth the time.
will it get
used or is it just a waste of time and effort ?
I need input. I dont hear any feed back of anyone testing it. I need
to
know ...
Open source projects are hard work. They often take many years of
effort to achieve critical momentum and only then if the project
actually solves a real need. Your project may well solve a problem for
some people, but if I can suggest:
* there is no obvious place to download anything from your site
* many of the links don't go anywhere
* you explain what it isn't (bloated Linux distribution) but don't
explain what it is
* you don't give people any reason to download it (is it easier than
"portinstall asterisk"?, what do you package that is really nice and
of benefit to people?)
* Most people who want to download an integrated OS/Asterisk package
would not be Unix gurus and therefore want something widely supported:
why would they not choose Linux?
If you think this solves a problem for people, then keep at it.
Eventually it will be noticed and used. But be very clear about what
problem it solves. Finally, don't expect any help: open source rarely
works like that. If you get some, then great. But your project needs
to be viable without it. Look at the millions of abandoned projects on
sourceforge: some were probably quite good. If it solves a project
*for you* then keep at it.
Finally, you appear to often want feedback or kudos from this list. I
don't know what you are working on to get that feedback; I mean you
might have done a range of terrific things for Asterisk, but I don't
think many people here know what they are, or why they should be
interested in your knee injury. I mean, we all hope you get better,
but perhaps you could be more specific about the implications for the
FreeBSD Asterisk community with what you are working on.
Ari Maniatis
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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 12:43 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-bsd] so here is my question for the masses
Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au> wrote:
Quote:
On 03/02/2008, at 9:42 AM, Richard Neese wrote:
Quote:
Do you all think that my daemonswitch project is worth the time.
will it get
used or is it just a waste of time and effort ?
I need input. I dont hear any feed back of anyone testing it. I need
to
know ...
Open source projects are hard work. They often take many years of
effort to achieve critical momentum and only then if the project
actually solves a real need. Your project may well solve a problem for
some people, but if I can suggest:
* there is no obvious place to download anything from your site
* many of the links don't go anywhere
* you explain what it isn't (bloated Linux distribution) but don't
explain what it is
* you don't give people any reason to download it (is it easier than
"portinstall asterisk"?, what do you package that is really nice and
of benefit to people?)
* Most people who want to download an integrated OS/Asterisk package
would not be Unix gurus and therefore want something widely supported:
why would they not choose Linux?
If you think this solves a problem for people, then keep at it.
Eventually it will be noticed and used. But be very clear about what
problem it solves. Finally, don't expect any help: open source rarely
works like that. If you get some, then great. But your project needs
to be viable without it. Look at the millions of abandoned projects on
sourceforge: some were probably quite good. If it solves a project
*for you* then keep at it.
Finally, you appear to often want feedback or kudos from this list. I
don't know what you are working on to get that feedback; I mean you
might have done a range of terrific things for Asterisk, but I don't
think many people here know what they are, or why they should be
interested in your knee injury. I mean, we all hope you get better,
but perhaps you could be more specific about the implications for the
FreeBSD Asterisk community with what you are working on.
Ari Maniatis
-------------------------->
ish
http://www.ish.com.au
Level 1, 30 Wilson Street Newtown 2042 Australia
phone +61 2 9550 5001 fax +61 2 9550 4001
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
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Ari has some valid points here. I too faced these kinds of issues when I developed software...and I guess that might be why I no longer develop software. I could spend 100 hours on something only to find the users totally indifferent to the new enhancements or worse, asking for more changes and critizing my work to the bosses.
Still, we should all remember that lots of people told the Wright Brothers they would never succeed in their line of work either.
As for my feedback, Asterisk is a very powerful and cool piece of software. I've tried to sell the idea to my co-workers but they are all too busy earning a living to want to switch from the present phone system. Even if I could squeeze the $1,000 or so to build a server with a Digium card, we'd still have to buy new IP phones for everyone and they just don't see the benefit in that. It brings to mind a few years back when at their suggestion, I built us a HylaFax server only to find that each day everyone was still printing pieces of paper and manually faxing on the old fax machine.
You can lead a horse to the water...but if he's not thirsty he won't drink.
Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 1:28 pm Post subject: [Asterisk-bsd] so here is my question for the masses
Hello Richard and others...
Also schrieb Frank Griffith am Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 04:37:53AM -0800:
Quote:
Aristedes Maniatis <ari@ish.com.au> wrote:
On 03/02/2008, at 9:42 AM, Richard Neese wrote:
>> Do you all think that my daemonswitch project is worth the time.
>> will it get
>> used or is it just a waste of time and effort ?
>>
>> I need input. I dont hear any feed back of anyone testing it. I need
>> to
>> know ...
I guess the typical daemonswitch user is _NOT_ on this mailinglist.
That's the main point, you must announce it on the VoIP *sigh* browser
based boards. There should be much more people, who are looking for
all-in-cd with Asterisk. You should use an own automatic install cd, I
think I will supply one soon, as it is almost the same procedure as for
an network installation (where I need it).
I think where is also a system command possiple (wget and install.sh)
Quote:
Open source projects are hard work. They often take many years of
effort to achieve critical momentum and only then if the project
actually solves a real need. Your project may well solve a problem for
some people, but if I can suggest:
* there is no obvious place to download anything from your site
* many of the links don't go anywhere
* you explain what it isn't (bloated Linux distribution) but don't
explain what it is
* you don't give people any reason to download it (is it easier than
"portinstall asterisk"?, what do you package that is really nice and
of benefit to people?)
* Most people who want to download an integrated OS/Asterisk package
would not be Unix gurus and therefore want something widely supported:
why would they not choose Linux?
If you think this solves a problem for people, then keep at it.
Eventually it will be noticed and used. But be very clear about what
problem it solves. Finally, don't expect any help: open source rarely
works like that. If you get some, then great. But your project needs
to be viable without it. Look at the millions of abandoned projects on
sourceforge: some were probably quite good. If it solves a project
*for you* then keep at it.
Finally, you appear to often want feedback or kudos from this list. I
don't know what you are working on to get that feedback; I mean you
might have done a range of terrific things for Asterisk, but I don't
think many people here know what they are, or why they should be
interested in your knee injury. I mean, we all hope you get better,
but perhaps you could be more specific about the implications for the
FreeBSD Asterisk community with what you are working on.
> Ari has some valid points here. I too faced these kinds of issues
> when I developed software...and I guess that might be why I no longer
> develop software. I could spend 100 hours on something only to find
> the users totally indifferent to the new enhancements or worse,
> asking for more changes and critizing my work to the bosses.
>
> Still, we should all remember that lots of people told the Wright
> Brothers they would never succeed in their line of work either.
>
> As for my feedback, Asterisk is a very powerful and cool piece of
> software. I've tried to sell the idea to my co-workers but they are
> all too busy earning a living to want to switch from the present
> phone system. Even if I could squeeze the $1,000 or so to build a
> server with a Digium card, we'd still have to buy new IP phones for
> everyone and they just don't see the benefit in that. It brings to
> mind a few years back when at their suggestion, I built us a HylaFax
> server only to find that each day everyone was still printing pieces
> of paper and manually faxing on the old fax machine.
>
> You can lead a horse to the water...but if he's not thirsty he won't drink.
Finally, I am sorry I must say it again, in Western Europe you must have
ISDN support in your system. Do you know where Matthias project of an
FreeBSD install cd incl i4b is?
I wish some people would quote better...
Oliver
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